The Dialogue of the Savior, Part 2

Judas Asks About the Rulers of the World, & the Garments

Judas said, “I really want to learn everything.” The master said to him, “The living God doesn’t dwell in this entire region of deficiency.” Judas asked, “Who will rule over us?” The master replied, “Look, here are all the things that exist among what remains. You rule over them.” Judas said, “But look, the rulers are over us, so they’ll rule over us.” The master answered, “You’ll rule over them. When you remove jealousy from yourselves, you’ll clothe yourselves in light & enter the bridal chamber.” Judas asked, “How will our garments be brought to us?” The master answered, “There are some who will provide them for you & others who will receive them, (139) & of honor? But the garments of life were given to these people because she they know the way they will go. Indeed, it’s even difficult for me to reach it.”

The region of deficiency is this world below, where the light is obscured in darkness. The rulers or archons are the cosmic bureaucrats who govern this world this world on behalf of the demiurge, or creator, of this world. While they seem powerful & act with arrogance & bravado, they’re destined to be overcome by the people of light & knowledge. See 1 Corinthians 6:3.

The bridal chamber is discussed extensively in the Gospel of Philip, & the Gospel of Thomas 75.

One the garments of light & life, see the Dialougue of the Savior 136-37; the Gospel of Mary 15, 18 & the Dialogue of the Savior 145.

Mary Utter Words of Wisdom

Mary said, “So, the wickedness of each day is sufficient. Workers deserve their food. Disciples resemble their teachers.” She spoke this utterance as a woman who understood everything.

Take a look at Matthew 6:3, 10:10, 10:25; Luke 10:7; & I Timothy 5:18. If this 3rd saying so emended by adding a negation (“Disciples not resemble their teachers.”), then see John 13:16. Here in the Dialogue of the Savior, it’s Mary Magdalene who utters these 3 saying of wisdom. Or “She spoke this utterance as a woman who understood completely.”

The Disciples Ask About Fullness & Deficiency, Life & Death

The disciples asked him, “What’s fullness & what’s deficiency?” He answered them, “You’re from fullness & you’re in a place of deficiency. Look. his light has poured down on me.” Matthew asked, “Tell me, master, how the dead die & how the living live.” The master said, “You’ve asked me about a true saying that eye has not seen, not have I heard it, except from you. But I say to you, when what moves a person slips away, that person will be called dead, & when what’s livid leaves what’s dead, it’ll be called alive.” Judas asked, “So why, really, do some die & some live?” The master said, “Whatever is from truth doesn’t die. Whatever is form woman dies.” Mary asked, “Tell me, mater, why have I come to this place, to gain or to lose?” The master replied, “You show the greatness of the revealer.” Mary asked him, “Master, Then is there a place that’s abandoned or without truth?’ The master said, “The place where I’m not.” Mary said, “Master, you’re awesome & marvelous.” (141) & like  a devouring fire to those who don’t know you.” Matthew said, “Why do we not go to our rest at once?” The master said, “When you leave these burdens behind.” Matthew asked, “How does the small unite with the great?” The master said, “When you leave behind what cannot accompany you, then you’ll rest.”

The divine world above is fullness (pleroma (In Gnosticism, the spiritual universe as the abode of God & of the totality of the divine powers & emanations. Or in Christian theology, the totality or fullness of the Godhead that dwells in Christ.) (Gnosticism is/was a prominent movement of the 2nd century Christian Church, partly of the pre-Christian origin. Gnostic doctrine taught the world was created & ruled by a lesser divinity, the demiurge, & that Christ was an emissary of the remote supreme divine being, esoteric knowledge (gnōsis) of whom enabled the redemption of the human spirit.); this world below is deficient. Check out the Gospel of Thomas 17; I Corinthians 2:9; the Gospels of the Egyptians; the Dialogue of the Savior 144-45. This place is the present world of deficiency & morality. Going to one’s rest at once means dying now, so this may be a question about why we don’t experience the transformation from death to life now, or even why we don’t commit suicide now. Leaving the burdens of the Brody behind & ascending to the fullness of the divine means attaining final rest.


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